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A Federated Greater Israel the Solution to Middle East Conflict

Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:15 PM EST
world-news, security, israel, government, palestine, jews, federal, jerusalem, settlements, united-jerusalem
By Neron Kesar
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My first preference is NOT a two-state solution to the Israeli/Palestinian Conflict. I have tolerated the idea of two states, living side by side because of the assumption of a third independence for the Old City.

It makes more sense to adopt a federal system of government in which Palestine is an independent state, essentially governing its own affairs, in a system similar to the federal and state system found in the United States.

Palestine under this proposal would be part of a Greater Israel, sharing the benefits of Jewish hegemony. Such an arrangement would provide Palestine time to develop its institutions.

A federal system would almost immediately resolve nearly if not all outstanding issues. Palestine could vie for greater independence later if so desired.

SETTLEMENTS

Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank number as many as 500,000 according to some reports. They are driven by the notion it is God's will for them to possess the land. Their religious fundamentalism precludes them from willingly vacating the West Bank.

The Palestinians want to make the West Bank the site of their future nation-state.

Perhaps the most formidable opposition to peace facing Israel will come from the settlers and their political supporters. When Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, the Israeli Defense Force had to forcibly evacuate Jewish settlers there. The televised footage of Jews hauling kicking and screaming Jews off their historic homeland was a moment of irony, especially for those Jews who had fled to Israel to escape anti-semitism.

The Gaza withdrawal emboldened the Palestinian faction Hamas, which perceived Israel in a weakened, defensive posture. Instead of trading land for peace, Hamas traded land for rockets, engaging the south of Israel in a campaign of terror. Hamas rained thousands of rockets against Jews.

The Israeli withdrawal from Gaza was surely a curse, human and divine. Gaza is a foreshadow of the consequences to Israel should Jewish settlers in the West Bank be forced to cede territory in exchange for an illusory peace.

The peaceful coexistence of Jews and Arabs must be achieved without forcibly evacuating Jews. The question is, How?

SECURITY

There are numerous obstacles to achieving peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Foremost among them is security.

Israel insists any future Palestinian nation-state that exists alongside Israel must be demilitarized. This condition is atypical for any nation-state, putting Palestine in the unenviable position of pondering its own security. There will be inevitable threats to Palestine (as well as Israel) posed by the enemies of peace, including Al-Qaeda and Al-Qaeda-like sympathizers who use violence as a means of protest.

Hamas, as a rival of the Fatah faction, is a threat to any Palestinian statehood that recognizes the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state.

Under the security conditions demanded by Israel, Palestine would have to depend for its own security on an agreeable third party occupation force, such as one supplied by the United Nations. But such an arrangement is unlikely.

Israel itself would have to pledge to protect Palestine against aggressors, including Hamas. But is this something Israel is prepared to do as a condition of peace?

CONCLUSION

The impediments to peace in the Middle East are numerous. A state and federal system with its inherent shared political is one way of resolving them.

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Neron Kesar

Jerusalem could remain the united capital of federal Israel while a portion of it could still be the capital of the state of Palestine (under the political umbrella of federal Israel).

Or, Jerusalem as a whole could be segregated into an independent federal district similar to Washington, D.C.

There are a number of options for sharing the land in a pluralistic society.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:22 PM EST
oldecrankyman

Interesting idea with a lot of merit. I'll toss out some devil's advocate items.

a system similar to the federal and state system found in the United States.

That would require both sides to renounce official religions. Maybe, but it's hard for me to see that happening.

Israel insists any future Palestinian nation-state that exists alongside Israel must be demilitarized. This condition is atypical for any nation-state

Good point, but would Israel go to war to protect a Palestinian state (as in part of the federation) from Jordan, Egypt or Syria if it was attacked?

The original partition plan called for Jerusalem to be an international city, which seems to me like a great idea that the UN wasn't in a position to make happen.

Realistically, religious intolerance on both sides is the problem. Ideally, they'd embrace their Semitic similarities and work together. They'd save a hell of a lot of work and grief.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:08 PM EST
Neron Kesar

Good comment. I have written quite a lot about an internationalized Jerusalem (Old City, City of David, and Mount of Olives), but the big question is whether there is the political will to make it happen, and if so, under whose leadership. Is the time right, such that the people want this option as in the best interest of all?

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:25 PM EST
oldecrankyman

Personally, I'd bet the the majority of the people would welcome anything that would bring peace and security to the area, but there are political, military and religious leaders who's careers are based on conflict. You could probably say that about the whole world.

If Israel was to take the step to guarantee religious rights to all and renounce a state religion, the idea might work, and realistically, they're the only country that has a snowball's chance in hell of doing that. One can hope.

Maybe it's time for an international internet petition telling ALL the leaders that we're tired of fighting.

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#2.2 - Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:32 PM EST
Neron Kesar

More good points.

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#2.3 - Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:55 PM EST
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Larry H-189743

Palestine under this proposal would be part of a Greater Israel, sharing the benefits of Jewish hegemony.

And how do you loyal Hamas members vote? Yah, nay, or Hell No and continue the jihad?

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Reply#3 - Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:34 PM EST
oldecrankyman

I think there's a chance that the average person might just vote yes.

    #3.1 - Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:49 PM EST
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    Kevin Mirek

    Hamas is Palestine's problem, they elected them, they can undo that authority. If the Palestinians need help in doing that, how very ironic it would be to ask Israel for assistance.

    Israel will remain "Israel," with no "Palestine" label sneaking in the back door. If the Palestinians want their land back, a two state solution is the best, cleanest way of achieving peace and security. That way Jews can be Jews and Arabs can be Arabs. Jamming the two cultures together is not a good idea.

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    Reply#4 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:26 AM EST
    icegal

    Jamming the two cultures together is not a good idea. 

    Why? They are cultural cousins. Jews and arabs have more in common than, say, christians and muslims, or christian and jews.

    Have both sides drop a state mandated religion, and the people can mingle and be free. I also think they would have a larger leverage for trade and exports that could give other countries a run for their money, so to speak.

      #4.1 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:28 AM EST
      Neron Kesar

      I am confused by your remark, Kevin. You recently argued against Israel surrendering any land for Palestinian use. Now you write, "a two state solution is the best, cleanest way of achieving peace and security".

      • 2 votes
      #4.2 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:13 PM EST
      Kevin Mirek

      Neron,

      That's if the Arabs refuse to give stare recognition of Israel's sovereignty ... then the Israelis give NOTHING. If Israel's "right to exist" is recognized, then a two state solution is best. Hell, the Arabs want the Jews out of the West Bank and Gaza, and Israel wants all of Jerusalem. I can see that.

        #4.3 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:21 PM EST
        Neron Kesar

        Are you changing your mind again, Kevin?

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        #4.4 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:33 PM EST
        Kevin Mirek

        No, not changing my mind, only correcting your mis-reading. Don't say I have to spell it out again. Without recognition of Israeli sovereignty, the Arabs get nothing.

          #4.5 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:39 PM EST
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          Neron Kesar

          What are settlements, and who are the people that live in them?

          Settlements are communities inhabited by Israeli Jews in territory that came under Israel's control as a result of the 1967 Six-Day War. This area is known as Occupied Territory.

          There is a lengthy discussion on Wikipedia of Israeli settlements:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement

          There are different types of settlements:

          1. Urban suburbs.

          2. Block settlement.

          3. Frontier villages.

          4. Outposts, small settlements, sometimes unauthorized, often on hilltops.

          The different types of settlements have in common the demographic of a fundamentalist Jewish population; i.e., Jews who believe the land is their own by divine right. It is useless to argue with fundamentalists, showing them judgments from international judicial or deliberative bodies or appealing to their conscience from a humanitarian platform. They believe God's law takes precedence over the laws of men, even those of the Israeli government. In this they are correct, but because their view of the law is their own, they are a law unto themselves.

          There are up to roughly 500,000 Jewish settlers living in these enclaves in Occupied Territory, which are charted on maps provided in the Wikipedia article noted above. Because of their numbers and dispersion throughout Occupied Territory, removing these settlers would be a monumental task.

          It is ironic that negotiations to resolve the Israeli/Palestinian Conflict have threatened to derail over the issue of settlements. The claim by fundamentalist Jews to occupied land as a plea for habitation may be the undoing of a goal far superior than their own housing concerns. I am referring to the House of God.

          I have offered a way through an internationalized Jerusalem (Old City, City of David, and Mount of Olives) to preserve religious tolerance for and pluralism between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. My plan calls for a temporary security perimeter around this area in order to restore the Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount.

          Misguided fundamentalists are the same at their core irrespective of their parent faith. They must not and cannot be trusted to guide the agenda in the Middle East.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#5 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:02 PM EST
          Kevin Mirek

          Neron

          "The different types of settlements have in common the demographic of a fundamentalist Jewish population; i.e., Jews who believe the land is their own by divine right"

          Did you say this? Ha. The Jews believe they own it because they kicked the piss out of the Arab attackers and have occupied it ever since, like most victorious countries do to those they defeat. Ask the American Indians.

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          Reply#6 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:59 PM EST
          Neron Kesar

          Do you mean 'might makes right'?

          • 2 votes
          #6.1 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:09 PM EST
          Kevin Mirek

          Neron,

          No, I mean they (Israelis) won it in battle against an enemy (Arabs) who attacked them with the intention of killing them. To the victors go the spoils. It's simply the way it is. You want to discuss the right and wrong of it? Take a pholosophy course and some self defense martial arts. Then, when someone attacks you, your choices will be, "Is it right or wrong to fight?", or break his knee and make sure he never gets up again. Tough choice, ain't it?

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          #6.2 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:36 PM EST
          Kevin Mirek

          Neron,

          That's "philosophy." Typo... sorry.

          And the UN gave the land to Israel in a 1948 mandate along with the land given to the Palestinians. The Israelis took the offer (making it legal and a sovereign state) and the Palestinians did not. The Palestinians did not think it enough and attacked Israel (along with their Arab neighbors) for all of it. They lost, the Israelis won. I'd want a hell of a lot before I'd consider giving the occupied land back to the bloodthirsty Palestinians and their friends.

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          #6.3 - Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:05 AM EST
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          Neron Kesar

          A party desiring to remain anonymous forwarded to me these concerns:

          One objection: this is an interim agreement, not a final one. Second: why would the Palestinians accept Israel's representation in international bodies? The UN General Assembly? UN membership? Recognition as a state? Maybe this federation idea can work with Jordan instead of Israel (I'd prefer that).

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          Reply#7 - Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:13 PM EST
          oldecrankyman

          Jordan is the country which took most of the the Palestinian's land after the UN partition, with Gaza being taken by Egypt. Israel only got control of it after the 1967 war. Why would the Palestinians trust Jordan?

            #7.1 - Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:34 PM EST
            Tselly

            The Jordanians are Arabs and Muslim - most Israelis are neither Arabs nor Muslims. A majority of Jordanians are Palestinians (the rest - Beduins). The attempted annexation took place 60 years ago under the great-grandfather of the current king. The king's wife is Palestinians (from the West Bank, I think).

            One problem - the Palestinians will want to be called Palestine, Jordan will want to remain Jordan, so what name will the federation have? However, they might get separated after a few years.

            Historically, King Hussein of Jordan wanted to be the representative of the Palestinians, until in 1974(?), the Arab League chose the PLO over him. Still, he continued to pay the salaries of municipal workers in the WB until 1987, when he declared that he was no longer interested in the area. To me, that was when a Palestinians state became a must.

              #7.2 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:40 AM EST
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